tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-670426779858438488.post4019469428797679112..comments2023-06-16T16:08:23.446+01:00Comments on Edinburgh Housewife: Chartres PilgrimageMrs McLeanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18095035617334068201noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-670426779858438488.post-40547838955754478902015-06-04T14:19:37.561+01:002015-06-04T14:19:37.561+01:00Thanks! Very interesting. I think one fssp friend ...Thanks! Very interesting. I think one fssp friend (who calls those at the chapel schismatic) is very quick to do do, generally, so the lack of distinction makes sense. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01862608839870093437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-670426779858438488.post-71043041392876132892015-06-03T17:26:08.032+01:002015-06-03T17:26:08.032+01:00I thought it was adorable!! It's so funny the ...I thought it was adorable!! It's so funny the things that we think as kids. I remember firmly believing that I would have to become whatever my patron saint (from Confirmation) was (nun. married, etc.). So, I chose mine based entirely on the fact that she was both married, and then later, a nun, because I wasn't sure what I wanted to be. Lol! I have no idea why I thought that, but I did. booklovernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-670426779858438488.post-48906313830138718712015-06-03T17:24:03.815+01:002015-06-03T17:24:03.815+01:00That is so interesting!! Thank you, Auntie Seraphi...That is so interesting!! Thank you, Auntie Seraphic! We had a few SSPX people at the college I attended, but I didn't know them that well. booklovernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-670426779858438488.post-36482932263717884552015-06-03T16:42:53.423+01:002015-06-03T16:42:53.423+01:00I went a couple years back, and had a great time w...I went a couple years back, and had a great time with Juventutem London crowd. Although I'm American, I actually signed up with their group, due to a friend of the family who is involved with it. What a great group of fun-loving traddies! Amusednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-670426779858438488.post-17328938062586958072015-06-03T11:13:10.339+01:002015-06-03T11:13:10.339+01:00I would not even remember this were it not for the...I would not even remember this were it not for the paintings and the discussions afterwards, so you never know! Perhaps when you were three...? ;-) Mrs McLeanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18095035617334068201noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-670426779858438488.post-29858209247836123232015-06-03T09:26:56.111+01:002015-06-03T09:26:56.111+01:00How odd that you and your brother thought that the...How odd that you and your brother thought that the priest/cantor were God. I go to the Novus Ordo almost exclusively and that never even crossed my mind, not even as a child.<br /><br />JuliaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-670426779858438488.post-30125630047845850472015-06-03T09:21:30.862+01:002015-06-03T09:21:30.862+01:00Oh and yes, Anamaria, all those people who were to...Oh and yes, Anamaria, all those people who were told to go to the FSSP instead and didn't are being disobedient to their bishop. But, er, I don't think that makes them schismatic, per se. They're not even skipping mass. They're, uh, just disobedient. And I don't see why they want to be. The SSPX priest can just carry on saying Mass by himself, and if they want to send him money so he can eat, that would be kindly and filial. They'll find the Traditional Latin Mass and strictly orthodox homilies in the FSSP parish.<br /><br />Of course, people are not terrifically happy with bishops as a class these days, but that is not (in my opinion) a very good excuse. However, I am sure everyone who habitually goes to an SSPX mass has their story. Mrs McLeanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18095035617334068201noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-670426779858438488.post-79853662115329528752015-06-03T09:09:56.970+01:002015-06-03T09:09:56.970+01:00Oh heavens. And having said all that, because I wr...Oh heavens. And having said all that, because I write for a diocesan newspaper and other legitimate Catholic media, I should perhaps state that I myself have never been to an SSPX mass. I have not even been tempted to go to an SSPX mass because I have a very strong sense that I must be obedient to the local ordinary. Mrs McLeanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18095035617334068201noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-670426779858438488.post-43933478123461656362015-06-03T09:03:24.538+01:002015-06-03T09:03:24.538+01:00Booklover, my understanding is that SSPX masses ar...Booklover, my understanding is that SSPX masses are valid but illicit and thus should not be attended UNLESS there is no other mass around. <br /> <br />However, the SSPX believes that the Bishop of Rome is the earthly head of the Church and that the local bishops are indeed bishops and as far as I know they accept the 99% of the contents of the documents of Vatican II with what they (and probably most traditionalists) would read as an orthodox interpretation. There are, I believe, a few points of hot debate. I read an interesting speech by Archbishop Lefebvre about the implications of changing the ends of marriage from procreative and unitive to unitive and procreative. It seems very prophetic, especially now. <br /><br />So the SSPX are not the baddies they are often made out to be. Their priests are real Catholic priests (who have not been given faculties by the local ordinary), and the people who go to their masses and lectures are just ordinary (if disobedient to the local ordinary) Catholics. They toddle along being ordinary but disobedient, and there are certainly a lot of SSPX priests, nuns and followers in the world, although not so many that certain conspiracy theories that wouldn't get much of a hearing in the wider Catholic world aren't sustained. Usually that's what they get beaten up in the press for. <br /><br />So the SSPX are not schismatics, they are just disobedient, which is inevitable for just by existing as the SSPX they are disobedient. When Saint John Paul II excommunicated Archbishop LeFebvre--who was a very good man who did a very foolish thing out of a very great fear--he asked the SSPX priests to come to Rome and he would give them a new community. This is how the Priestly Fraternity of Saint Peter came about, and ultimately how the Extraordinary Form of the Mass was introduced to thousands and thousands of Catholics who were born or converted to Catholicism after 1970. The original idea was that they were to attract those Catholics who would otherwise be going to the SSPX for mass. Thus we have much to thank Archbishop LeFebvre for, poor man. <br /><br />I go to Edinburgh's FSSP Masses, and our archbishop and the Bishop of Dunkeld (especially) are quite friendly to the Extraordinary Form of the Mass. As far as I know, none of us feel a particular need to condemn SSPX people as "schismatics", probably because a good chunk of our community used to go to SSPX masses and sometimes SSPX followers turn up for our mass. I think they have to share their priest with Glasgow, and I believe all their masses are low masses, which means our Sunday Missa Cantata must be a nice treat for them. Mrs McLeanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18095035617334068201noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-670426779858438488.post-70009026372236886392015-06-03T01:10:51.672+01:002015-06-03T01:10:51.672+01:00Oh, but looking at the comments, it looks like the...Oh, but looking at the comments, it looks like they lack ordinary jurisdiction and faculties. Doesn't lacking faculties mean that they shouldn't be administering the sacraments? Would that mean that the SSPX masses are valid but illicit? (And hence, shouldn't be attended?)booklovernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-670426779858438488.post-63789762637841970152015-06-03T01:08:12.049+01:002015-06-03T01:08:12.049+01:00You know, I always thought so too, Anamaria! But S...You know, I always thought so too, Anamaria! But Seraphic is right. Here's a helpful article I found by Father Z on the subject: http://wdtprs.com/blog/2015/03/sspx-schism-or-not/booklovernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-670426779858438488.post-89088335891129164962015-06-02T22:57:30.296+01:002015-06-02T22:57:30.296+01:00I thought sspx are schismatic? That's what my ...I thought sspx are schismatic? That's what my Latin mass friends here say- but maybe that's because the bishop asked all the sspx people at the private chapel to go to a fssp parish and said the chapel is not part of the diocese. So maybe that chapel group is but not all?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01862608839870093437noreply@blogger.com